Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the King was
visiting nearly 30 miles away:

http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html

Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to fly.

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the
> King was visiting nearly 30 miles away:
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>
> Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to
> fly.
>

So what, you don't go to airshows and you don't fly.


Bertie

On Oct 8, 3:34 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the King was
> visiting nearly 30 miles away:
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>
> Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to fly.

Reminds me of Bush's appearance at Kitty Hawk; preventing anyone from
flying into Kitty Hawk. Ironic.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in
ups.com:

> On Oct 8, 3:34 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the
>> King was visiting nearly 30 miles away:
>>
>> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>>
>> Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to
>> fly.
>
> Reminds me of Bush's appearance at Kitty Hawk; preventing anyone from
> flying into Kitty Hawk. Ironic.
>
> -Robert
>
>

Just as well he didn't try himself. I hear they called him "The Seagull" in
the reserves because they had to throw rocks at him to get him to fly.


Berte

"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...

>> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>>
>> Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to
>> fly.
>>
> So what, you don't go to airshows and you don't fly.

Nevertheless, if we live in a society where F-16s escort antique airplanes
just because the President is flying through, we've gone astray.

I refuse to live in fear. If we live in a country where Air Force One
requires escorts to keep away Stinsons or Jennies, we might as well take
down the flag and set it on fire 'cause we've lost our courage as a nation.

However, it's pretty clear that the antique pilots should have checked with
the FAA for TFRs since that's pretty much what everybody has to do.

-c

"Gatt" > wrote>

> However, it's pretty clear that the antique pilots should have checked
> with the FAA for TFRs since that's pretty much what everybody has to do.

'Zactly. I doubt that this was an unexpected TFR. They should have been
expecting it, and allowed for it.

That does not mean I don't feel that the TFR's are a bad thing.
--
Jim in NC

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Oct 8, 3:34 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the King
>> was
>> visiting nearly 30 miles away:
>>
>> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>>
>> Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to fly.
>
> Reminds me of Bush's appearance at Kitty Hawk; preventing anyone from
> flying into Kitty Hawk. Ironic.
>

Real ironic considering his insistance we should not let fear keep us from
going on with our lives. His own fear keeps many of us from doing so.

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the King was
> visiting nearly 30 miles away:
>
> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>
> Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to fly.

yeah?

well Nicolas Sarkozy shut down an entire lake in New Hamshire so he
could swim in peace (and threw a fit like a little french bitch when
someone took his picture)

Did you have a point ****tard?

http://people.monstersandcritics.com/features/article_1339458.php/French_President_Sarkozy_loses_it_on_Lake_Winnipes aukee

Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> John Doe > wrote in
> t:
>
>> An obsessed regular troll
>
>
>
> Guess again, fjukkwit!
>
>
> Bertie
>>
>
>

Good boy.
At least you've figured out that nobody enjoys seeing your garbage.

(Sorry for that, I didn't see the troll's redirection of my follow-up)

John Doe > wrote in news:WuQOi.1603$lD6.1161
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:

> Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> John Doe > wrote in
>> t:
>>
>>> An obsessed regular troll
>>
>>
>>
>> Guess again, fjukkwit!
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Good boy.


Oow! I have a stalker!

And a k00kie one too!


> At least you've figured out that nobody enjoys seeing your garbage.
>



Why would I do it if anyone enjoyed it, fjukkwit?


Bertie

Mxsmanic opined

>Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the King was
>visiting nearly 30 miles away:

>http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html

>Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to fly.

So why is the included photo of an F-15?


-ash
Cthulhu in 2007!
Why wait for nature?

John Doe > wrote in news:xxQOi.1604$lD6.1402
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:

> (Sorry for that, I didn't see the troll's redirection of my follow-up)
>

Remora!
Kwl!


Bertie

the warlock society writes:

> well Nicolas Sarkozy shut down an entire lake in New Hamshire so he
> could swim in peace (and threw a fit like a little french bitch when
> someone took his picture)

He has no jurisdiction in New Hampshire. Blame the people in the U.S. who
pandered to him.

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> the warlock society writes:
>
>> well Nicolas Sarkozy shut down an entire lake in New Hamshire so he
>> could swim in peace (and threw a fit like a little french bitch when
>> someone took his picture)
>
> He has no jurisdiction in New Hampshire. Blame the people in the U.S.
> who pandered to him.
>
Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahwha!

idiotl


Bertie

"Ash Wyllie" > wrote in message
...
> Mxsmanic opined
>
>>Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the King
>>was
>>visiting nearly 30 miles away:
>
>>http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>
>>Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to fly.
>
> So why is the included photo of an F-15?

Under "Pulled over by an F-16" (great headline, though. Kinda makes me want
to get pulled over by one just so I can tell my friends "I'm such a badass,
I get pulled over by the Air Force.")

-c
(That's not an F-15, it's an A-10. An American Airlines 757...no, wait, a
CIA hologram...no...wait, sorry, different thread.)

"Gatt" > wrote in
:

>
> "Ash Wyllie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Mxsmanic opined
>>
>>>Antique planes at an airshow were escorted to the ground because the
>>>King was
>>>visiting nearly 30 miles away:
>>
>>>http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>>
>>>Not sure how much of an airshow you can have if nobody is allowed to
>>>fly.
>>
>> So why is the included photo of an F-15?
>
> Under "Pulled over by an F-16" (great headline, though. Kinda makes
> me want to get pulled over by one just so I can tell my friends "I'm
> such a badass, I get pulled over by the Air Force.")
>
> -c
> (That's not an F-15, it's an A-10. An American Airlines 757...no,
> wait, a CIA hologram...no...wait, sorry, different thread.)
>
>
>

Please don;t go there. Those guys give me such a headache..


Bertie

On Oct 9, 3:22 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:

> John Doe wrote:
> An obsessed regular troll

Bertie wrote:

> Oow! I have a stalker!
> And a k00kie one too!

Take a look over at comp.speech.users where John Dope has killed off a
useful users group with his vindictive, assinine and untruthful
invective. Another person fed up with John Dopes mischief tracked him
down and proved he was Mark Bender of San Antonio, Texas. John Doe is
a professional User Group killer. His real name and
address was discovered by cross referencing his E-mail address of
several years ago ) with an online ad he placed
to sell a used computer.

I paid for an investigative report (appended below). It shows Mark
Bender, aka John Dope, was arrested twice for domestic violence. A
subsequent investigation showed he was sued into poverty by a lawsuit
he lost. That he has no gainful employment. He rents an apartment in
an impoverished area of almost 90 year old run down homes in a bad
side of town. He is known by his neighbors as El Gatero Loco, the
crazy cat man (and not meant affectionately). He cares for homeless
cats (a good attribute in my opinion) as he cannot relate to members
of the human race. What a sad pathetic loser Mark Bender, aka John
Dope, is.

In addition, he is a professional spammer. Among other things, he
promotes an Online drugstore. See:
http://groups.google.com/group/free.spam/browse_thread/thread/37124e5c03d4727a/c206b32fb00ba3ee?hl=en#c206b32fb00ba3ee


Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
Real person, real name, and legitimate business owner.

Here is the official report on him.

29-10947 Mark
O. Bender
7/25/2007
Dossier


REQUEST OF CLIENT


On July 24, 2007, Martin Markoe with eMicrophones, Inc. contacted
XXX Associates, with the request for a full background/dossier on
Mr. Mark O. Bender.


SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION


Our office found Mr. Mark Bender's current address is 509 Frost, SATX
78201, to be owned by Ms. Gloria Trevino. There are many rental homes
in this area. Mr. Bender has never owned property. He does not own a
vehicle. He doesn't have a TX Driver's license. He does have a TX
State ID. He has been arrested twice for Assault/Family/Domestic
Violence. Both charges were dismissed. There is a possibility that
the
"Mark Bender" named in the Bexar County Civil case for damages could
be the same Mark Orrin Bender with in this report. The court
documents
would to be ordered at any additional cost to the client.


Custom Comprehensive Report
Date: 07/24/07


Report processed by:
KELMAR AND ASSOCIATES M16489
2553 JACKSON KELLER STE 200
San Antonio, TX 78230
(210) 342-0509 Main Phone
(210) 342-0731 Fax Report Legend:
- Shared Address
- Deceased
- Probable Current Address


Subject Information:
Name: MARK ORRIN BENDER DOB:01/22/1957
SSN: 507-82-xxxx issued in Nebraska between 01/01/1972 and
12/31/1973
Age: 50


Others Associated With Subjects SSN:
(DOES NOT usually indicate any type of fraud or deception)
[None Found]


Comprehensive Report Summary: (Click on Link to see detail)
Names Associated With Subject:
None Found
Others Associated With Subjects SSN:
None Found
Bankruptcies:
None Found
Liens and Judgments:
None Found
UCC Filings:
None Found
People at Work:
None Found
Driver's License:
None Found
Address(es) Found:
1 Verified and 5 Non-Verified Found
Possible Properties Owned:
None Found
Motor Vehicles Registered:
None Found
Watercraft:
None Found
FAA Certifications:
None Found
FAA Aircrafts:
None Found
Possible Criminal Records:
1 Found
Sexual Offenses:
None Found
Professional Licenses:
None Found
Voter Registration:
1 Found
Hunting/Fishing Permit:
None Found
Concealed Weapons Permit:
None Found
Possible Associates:
None Found
Possible Relatives:
1st Degree - None Found
2nd Degree - None Found
3rd Degree - None Found
Neighbors:
1st Neighborhood - 3 Found
2nd Neighborhood - None Found
3rd Neighborhood - 2 Found


Bankruptcies:
[None Found]


Liens and Judgments:
[None Found]


UCC Filings:
[None Found]


People at Work:
[None Found]


Driver's License/State ID Information:


Texas ID Detail:


Name
BENDER,MARK ORRIN License number
20826255 Address
5320 BLANCO #1803 DOB
Jan 22 1957
Class
I City/Zip
SAN ANTONIO 78216 Last transaction date
Apr 9 2003 Last transaction
Original, not permit or MRDL


Above information as provided by state - Our annotations are below
Address (click to find others)
5320 Blanco Rd Apt 1803
City/State/Zip (click to find others)
San Antonio , TX 78216-7052


Address Summary:
509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005
-
May 2007)
4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 -
Oct 2003)
4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912,
BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999)
5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY
(Apr 1986 - Dec 1992)
4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1914,
BEXAR COUNTY
7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX 78229-4517,
BEXAR
COUNTY


Active Address(es):
MARK O BENDER - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR
COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007)
Current phones listed at this address:
BENDER MARK (210) 734-3107
TREVINO MICHELLE (210) 736-5743
Property Ownership Information for this Address
Property:
Parcel Number - 08441-026-0240
Lot Number - 24
Owner Name 1 - TREVINO GLORIA C
Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX
78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY
Owner's Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO
TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY
Land Usage - SFR
Total Value - $79,610
Land Value - $13,230
Improvement Value - $66,380
Land Size - 9,000
Year Built - 1926
Homestead Exemption - YES
Exterior Walls - STUCCO
Roof Type - ASPHALT SHINGLE
Air Conditioning - AC.CENTRAL
Heating - FORCED AIR
Sale Price - $0
Legal Description - NCB 8441 BLK 26 LOT
24 & 25 & 26
Data Source - A
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 37
Median Household Income: $38,438
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $47,100
Average Years of Education: 10


Previous And Non-Verified Address(es):
MARK ORRIN BENDER - 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201,
BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 - Oct 2003)
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 30
Median Household Income: $32,417
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $50,100
Average Years of Education: 12


MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO
TX 78201-1912, BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999)
SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 32
Median Household Income: $18,304
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300
Average Years of Education: 12


MARK O BENDER - 5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX
78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY (Apr 1986 - Dec 1992)
NIMITZ APARTMENTS (210) 341-5285
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 29
Median Household Income: $23,611
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $65,500
Average Years of Education: 12


MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO
TX 78201-1914, BEXAR COUNTY
SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 32
Median Household Income: $18,304
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300
Average Years of Education: 12


MARK O BENDER - 7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX
78229-4517, BEXAR COUNTY
SAN ANTONIO STATION (210) 614-3679
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 41
Median Household Income: $31,783
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $111,800
Average Years of Education: 14


Possible Properties Owned by Subject:
[None Found]


Motor Vehicles Registered To Subject:
[None Found]


Possible Criminal Records:
Texas Arrest Report:
Name: MARK BEDNER
SSN: 507-82-xxxx
Address: 5200 BLANCO RD 407, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7074
State of Origin: Texas
County of Origin: Bexar
Party Status: REL'D ON P-R BOND
DOB: 01/22/1957
Race: White
Sex: Male
Eyes: BLUE
Height: 5' 06"
Weight: 160


Arrests:
Arrest #1
Case Type:
Arrest Date: 01/25/1987
Arresting Agency:
Arrest Type:
Arrest Disposition Date: 01/25/1987
Court Fine: Offense: ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY
Arrest Statute:
Agency Case #: 366381
Arrest Level/Degree: Class A Misdemeanor
Arrest Disposition: BOOKED


CASE NUMBER 366381 displayed
successfully
Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System
07/24/2007
Texas Case Page
10:46:19


---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----
Court Case Number Defendant Name
Date of
CR7 366381 BEDNER,
MARK Birth


01/22/1957
Offense Description Level Sex:
MALE
02/21/1986 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race:
WHITE
Location :
CLOSED
Last Setting: Grand Jury: 05/13/1986
FILED
Case Status: 06/29/1987 *** JN CLOSED
***
Disposition : 06/29/1987 DSMD-INTRST
JUSTCE


Judgement :
Bond: CLS 06/29/1987
1500.00
Start: End: By: BAIL BONDS,
PERSONAL


Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy
Hrs
MIKE HERVEY 9546500
Term:


Fine:
Court
Cost:


CASE NUMBER 348742 displayed
successfully
Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System
07/25/2007
Texas Case Page
09:57:05
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----

" > wrote in
ups.com:

> On Oct 9, 3:22 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>> An obsessed regular troll
>
> Bertie wrote:
>
>> Oow! I have a stalker!
>> And a k00kie one too!



Coool!

I haven;t had one this nuts in ages!

Thanks for that!





Bertie

>
> Take a look over at comp.speech.users where John Dope has killed off a
> useful users group with his vindictive, assinine and untruthful
> invective. Another person fed up with John Dopes mischief tracked him
> down and proved he was Mark Bender of San Antonio, Texas. John Doe is
> a professional User Group killer. His real name and
> address was discovered by cross referencing his E-mail address of
> several years ago ) with an online ad he placed
> to sell a used computer.
>
> I paid for an investigative report (appended below). It shows Mark
> Bender, aka John Dope, was arrested twice for domestic violence. A
> subsequent investigation showed he was sued into poverty by a lawsuit
> he lost. That he has no gainful employment. He rents an apartment in
> an impoverished area of almost 90 year old run down homes in a bad
> side of town. He is known by his neighbors as El Gatero Loco, the
> crazy cat man (and not meant affectionately). He cares for homeless
> cats (a good attribute in my opinion) as he cannot relate to members
> of the human race. What a sad pathetic loser Mark Bender, aka John
> Dope, is.
>
> In addition, he is a professional spammer. Among other things, he
> promotes an Online drugstore. See:
> http://groups.google.com/group/free.spam/browse_thread/thread/37124e5c
0
> 3d4727a/c206b32fb00ba3ee?hl=en#c206b32fb00ba3ee
>
>
> Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc.
> Real person, real name, and legitimate business owner.
>
> Here is the official report on him.
>
> 29-10947 Mark
> O. Bender
> 7/25/2007
> Dossier
>
>
> REQUEST OF CLIENT
>
>
> On July 24, 2007, Martin Markoe with eMicrophones, Inc. contacted
> XXX Associates, with the request for a full background/dossier on
> Mr. Mark O. Bender.
>
>
> SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION
>
>
> Our office found Mr. Mark Bender's current address is 509 Frost, SATX
> 78201, to be owned by Ms. Gloria Trevino. There are many rental homes
> in this area. Mr. Bender has never owned property. He does not own a
> vehicle. He doesn't have a TX Driver's license. He does have a TX
> State ID. He has been arrested twice for Assault/Family/Domestic
> Violence. Both charges were dismissed. There is a possibility that
> the
> "Mark Bender" named in the Bexar County Civil case for damages could
> be the same Mark Orrin Bender with in this report. The court
> documents
> would to be ordered at any additional cost to the client.
>
>
> Custom Comprehensive Report
> Date: 07/24/07
>
>
> Report processed by:
> KELMAR AND ASSOCIATES M16489
> 2553 JACKSON KELLER STE 200
> San Antonio, TX 78230
> (210) 342-0509 Main Phone
> (210) 342-0731 Fax Report Legend:
> - Shared Address
> - Deceased
> - Probable Current Address
>
>
> Subject Information:
> Name: MARK ORRIN BENDER DOB:01/22/1957
> SSN: 507-82-xxxx issued in Nebraska between 01/01/1972 and
> 12/31/1973
> Age: 50
>
>
> Others Associated With Subjects SSN:
> (DOES NOT usually indicate any type of fraud or deception)
> [None Found]
>
>
> Comprehensive Report Summary: (Click on Link to see detail)
> Names Associated With Subject:
> None Found
> Others Associated With Subjects SSN:
> None Found
> Bankruptcies:
> None Found
> Liens and Judgments:
> None Found
> UCC Filings:
> None Found
> People at Work:
> None Found
> Driver's License:
> None Found
> Address(es) Found:
> 1 Verified and 5 Non-Verified Found
> Possible Properties Owned:
> None Found
> Motor Vehicles Registered:
> None Found
> Watercraft:
> None Found
> FAA Certifications:
> None Found
> FAA Aircrafts:
> None Found
> Possible Criminal Records:
> 1 Found
> Sexual Offenses:
> None Found
> Professional Licenses:
> None Found
> Voter Registration:
> 1 Found
> Hunting/Fishing Permit:
> None Found
> Concealed Weapons Permit:
> None Found
> Possible Associates:
> None Found
> Possible Relatives:
> 1st Degree - None Found
> 2nd Degree - None Found
> 3rd Degree - None Found
> Neighbors:
> 1st Neighborhood - 3 Found
> 2nd Neighborhood - None Found
> 3rd Neighborhood - 2 Found
>
>
> Bankruptcies:
> [None Found]
>
>
> Liens and Judgments:
> [None Found]
>
>
> UCC Filings:
> [None Found]
>
>
> People at Work:
> [None Found]
>
>
> Driver's License/State ID Information:
>
>
> Texas ID Detail:
>
>
> Name
> BENDER,MARK ORRIN License number
> 20826255 Address
> 5320 BLANCO #1803 DOB
> Jan 22 1957
> Class
> I City/Zip
> SAN ANTONIO 78216 Last transaction date
> Apr 9 2003 Last transaction
> Original, not permit or MRDL
>
>
> Above information as provided by state - Our annotations are below
> Address (click to find others)
> 5320 Blanco Rd Apt 1803
> City/State/Zip (click to find others)
> San Antonio , TX 78216-7052
>
>
> Address Summary:
> 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005
> -
> May 2007)
> 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 -
> Oct 2003)
> 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912,
> BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999)
> 5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY
> (Apr 1986 - Dec 1992)
> 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1914,
> BEXAR COUNTY
> 7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX 78229-4517,
> BEXAR
> COUNTY
>
>
> Active Address(es):
> MARK O BENDER - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR
> COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007)
> Current phones listed at this address:
> BENDER MARK (210) 734-3107
> TREVINO MICHELLE (210) 736-5743
> Property Ownership Information for this Address
> Property:
> Parcel Number - 08441-026-0240
> Lot Number - 24
> Owner Name 1 - TREVINO GLORIA C
> Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX
> 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY
> Owner's Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO
> TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY
> Land Usage - SFR
> Total Value - $79,610
> Land Value - $13,230
> Improvement Value - $66,380
> Land Size - 9,000
> Year Built - 1926
> Homestead Exemption - YES
> Exterior Walls - STUCCO
> Roof Type - ASPHALT SHINGLE
> Air Conditioning - AC.CENTRAL
> Heating - FORCED AIR
> Sale Price - $0
> Legal Description - NCB 8441 BLK 26 LOT
> 24 & 25 & 26
> Data Source - A
> Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
> Average Age: 37
> Median Household Income: $38,438
> Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $47,100
> Average Years of Education: 10
>
>
> Previous And Non-Verified Address(es):
> MARK ORRIN BENDER - 4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201,
> BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 - Oct 2003)
> Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
> Average Age: 30
> Median Household Income: $32,417
> Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $50,100
> Average Years of Education: 12
>
>
> MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO
> TX 78201-1912, BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999)
> SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767
> Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
> Average Age: 32
> Median Household Income: $18,304
> Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300
> Average Years of Education: 12
>
>
> MARK O BENDER - 5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX
> 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY (Apr 1986 - Dec 1992)
> NIMITZ APARTMENTS (210) 341-5285
> Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
> Average Age: 29
> Median Household Income: $23,611
> Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $65,500
> Average Years of Education: 12
>
>
> MARK O BENDER - 4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO
> TX 78201-1914, BEXAR COUNTY
> SANTA FE PLACE (210) 735-8767
> Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
> Average Age: 32
> Median Household Income: $18,304
> Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $91,300
> Average Years of Education: 12
>
>
> MARK O BENDER - 7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX
> 78229-4517, BEXAR COUNTY
> SAN ANTONIO STATION (210) 614-3679
> Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
> Average Age: 41
> Median Household Income: $31,783
> Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $111,800
> Average Years of Education: 14
>
>
> Possible Properties Owned by Subject:
> [None Found]
>
>
> Motor Vehicles Registered To Subject:
> [None Found]
>
>
> Possible Criminal Records:
> Texas Arrest Report:
> Name: MARK BEDNER
> SSN: 507-82-xxxx
> Address: 5200 BLANCO RD 407, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7074
> State of Origin: Texas
> County of Origin: Bexar
> Party Status: REL'D ON P-R BOND
> DOB: 01/22/1957
> Race: White
> Sex: Male
> Eyes: BLUE
> Height: 5' 06"
> Weight: 160
>
>
> Arrests:
> Arrest #1
> Case Type:
> Arrest Date: 01/25/1987
> Arresting Agency:
> Arrest Type:
> Arrest Disposition Date: 01/25/1987
> Court Fine: Offense: ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY
> Arrest Statute:
> Agency Case #: 366381
> Arrest Level/Degree: Class A Misdemeanor
> Arrest Disposition: BOOKED
>
>
> CASE NUMBER 366381 displayed
> successfully
> Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System
> 07/24/2007
> Texas Case Page
> 10:46:19
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> Court Case Number Defendant Name
> Date of
> CR7 366381 BEDNER,
> MARK Birth
>
>
> 01/22/1957
> Offense Description Level Sex:
> MALE
> 02/21/1986 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race:
> WHITE
> Location :
> CLOSED
> Last Setting: Grand Jury: 05/13/1986
> FILED
> Case Status: 06/29/1987 *** JN CLOSED
> ***
> Disposition : 06/29/1987 DSMD-INTRST
> JUSTCE
>
>
> Judgement :
> Bond: CLS 06/29/1987
> 1500.00
> Start: End: By: BAIL BONDS,
> PERSONAL
>
>
> Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy
> Hrs
> MIKE HERVEY 9546500
> Term:
>
>
> Fine:
> Court
> Cost:
>
>
> CASE NUMBER 348742 displayed
> successfully
> Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System
> 07/25/2007
> Texas Case Page
> 09:57:05
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>

Gatt wrote:

>>http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html

> Nevertheless, if we live in a society where F-16s escort antique airplanes
> just because the President is flying through, we've gone astray.
>
> I refuse to live in fear. If we live in a country where Air Force One
> requires escorts to keep away Stinsons or Jennies, we might as well take
> down the flag and set it on fire 'cause we've lost our courage as a nation.
>
> However, it's pretty clear that the antique pilots should have checked with
> the FAA for TFRs since that's pretty much what everybody has to do.

Bottom line is Airshows are SCHEDULED... they knew exactly what it was.
It seems like provisions could have been made so that the airshow
could have went on as planned.

And F16's forcing down antique planes... that in itself sound dangerous.

Allen

Allen Prunty wrote:
> Gatt wrote:
>
>>> http://us.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/forced.landings.ap/index.html
>
>> Nevertheless, if we live in a society where F-16s escort antique
>> airplanes just because the President is flying through, we've gone
>> astray.
>>
>> I refuse to live in fear. If we live in a country where Air Force
>> One requires escorts to keep away Stinsons or Jennies, we might as
>> well take down the flag and set it on fire 'cause we've lost our
>> courage as a nation.
>>
>> However, it's pretty clear that the antique pilots should have checked
>> with the FAA for TFRs since that's pretty much what everybody has to do.
>
> Bottom line is Airshows are SCHEDULED... they knew exactly what it was.
> It seems like provisions could have been made so that the airshow could
> have went on as planned.

Yes, and people shouldn't post to 3 month dormant threads either, but
these things happen.